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My response to Bob Smith

Submitted by gary fouse, Jun 26, 2012 00:14

Mr Smith,

Only today have I seen this comment by you, so pls excuse the delay in my response.

I fully acknowledge the need for agencies like LAPD and LASD to interact with various communities, such as the Muslim community, as well as protect the rights of ordinary Muslims. After the event in question, I personally approached Downing's 3 officers because I had met one of them personally at a previous event at UC Irvine. I told them the same thing I had just related to US Atty Andre Birotte, that I agreed that American Muslims should not be targeted for discrimination. However, I told them that I had certain concerns about Imam Siddiqi and his mosque. Among other things that Siddiqi had hosted the Blind Sheikh, Omar Abdel Rahman, at the mosque in 1992 and translated a sermon promoting violent Jihad. Most of what I said, including a speech Siddiqi had made in Washington in 2000 was met with scepticism though it is on Utube. Downing came over and I told him about the Blind Sheikh, and that is when he made the statement I related.

I later sent a letter to Birotte (after he had given me his card) and gave him everything I knew about Siddiqi. No response.

I also objected to the fact that Baca, Downing and his crew sat there and listened to fellow panelists trash the NYPD and FBI-two brother law enforcement agencies. They also allowed themselves to be used for partisan political purposes by Sanchez, Waters and Chu.

As to the LAPD officer taking pictures of the audience, you tell me what they were doing. Why did they do that? Were they looking for possible terrorists in the crowd or dangerous right-wing elements that janet napolitano warned us about? I don't know. You tell me.

My point is that Baca and Downing are allowing themselves to be used as stooges by radical stealth jihadists like CAIR, Siddiqi, Mariyati and others. There is a vast difference between talking with all sides and making contacts/sources of information and actively promoting their propaganda.

An pls don't tell me I know nothing about Law enforcement. You don't know what you are talking about.

 

In Defense of Gary Fouse

Submitted by Joe Carey, Jun 9, 2012 11:11

Bob Smith, I was at the same event as Gary and can attest to what he wrote. I understand the full uniform officers were likely not engaging in intel, and I don't think Gary suggested that. I have friends who are in law enforcement, and who work with a federal counter-terrorism task force. But what was most disconcerting about Downing, Baca, et al is that they all were in agreement, along with Siddiqi, that sharia is fully compatible with the U.S. Constitution. Their comments about the positive aspects of sharia are frightening, considering their position of authority.

Video soon will be made public of the comments of Downing, Baca, and the rest, pending the private review of others who have significant concerns of comments made by publicly elected officials concerning sharia.

If you also agree, along with Baca and Downing, that sharia can find a home in the U.S. along side our constitution, I suggest you to some deeper digging. God help us if sharia is allowed to establish a foothold on our land.

 

Gary Fouse, stop being dishonest

Submitted by Bob Smith, Jun 6, 2012 11:10

Gary, you know those officers are not counter-interlligience... LOL they are in uniform at a public meeting. You know nothing about police work (MR DEA) if you think cops in uniform showed up to a mosque to to intel work. lol

So this super stealthy intel cop was using his cell phone to take pictures. c'mon does no one else find this funny? Do you know all the hundreds of ways cops and feds do intel? cell phone cameras in plain site is not it.

Gary, you have some good conerns, but you loose credibility for sounding paranoid.

I researched this event you talked about. It's your run of the mill, police showing the public... bring some cops, have some lunch, community policing BS. It happens all the time, all over America. This does not mean that cops or feds will not arrest those breaking the law... only that relationships are being made (sometimes even with bad guys)

Cops make friends with bad people all the time. Its how sources, and informants are often found, nurtured and devoloped.... or it could just be a community policing event.

 

Comporting with the enemy

Submitted by Kali Politeis, Jun 4, 2012 13:08

I sent the following to Baca - I suggest everyone else do likewise with all public officials. Note the P.S.

Dear Sheriff Baca and others:

The Council of American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) admits that it "pressures" politicians and other public officials to do its will. It is unfortunately obvious that many of you kowtow to this special interest, terrorist-related organization.

Do you too agree with CAIR's agenda as follows?

"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."

- Omar M. Ahmad, founder of Council on American-Islamic Relations ("CAIR") July 4, 1998

"I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future… But I'm not going to do anything violent to promote that. I'm going to do it through education."

-Ibraham Hooper, CAIR

"Ultimately, we (Muslims) can never be full citizens of this country…because there is no way we can be fully committed to the institutions and ideologies of this country."

- Ihsan Bagby, CAIR

So, there's CAIR in a nutshell: Anti-American, subversive and treasonous.

Do you support the HAMAS-linked CAIR in what its spokesmen say here? Are you seditious and treasonous as well?

Signed,

Concerned citizen and voter

P.S. I understand that there's a website in the works upon which all public officials who have been dealing favorably with CAIR and the Muslim Brotherhood will be posted. A class-action lawsuit is also planned, I understand, to sue officials who have been comporting with the enemy. Grass roots organizations are also mobilizing to remove all public officials who have been behaving in this traitorous manner.

 

Obviously

Submitted by Concerned, Jun 3, 2012 21:33

LA county officials demonizing and alienating a large group of people that live in the area is not the best idea to gain their trust and cooperation. Should Baca and Downing announce that since terrorism is considered a threat from Muslims only (sadly by our racist government) the US should only monitor that single group and single it out to disregard their constitutional protections? on that same note, Baca should also notify the Black community that since blacks are often involved in gun violence they can all be searched at any time, for any reason, by any law enforcement official to prevent gun homicides.

Also, the comments by the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood come after Israel has terrorized and murdered Palestinians for the past century and stolen 93% of their country (Jews in Palestine owned just 7% of the land when Israel declared itself a state in 1948 on more thatn 50% of Palestine); killed thousands of Lebanese civilians in response to the kidnapping of 2 soldiers in 2006--on top of killing thousands more during the span of 2 occupations of Lebanon lasting a total of 23 years; killing several Egyptians soldiers in Sinai despite a long respected peace treaty by the Egyptians and cooperation in all of Israel's security demands with respect to Gaza. The list of Israeli aggression goes on that validates the MB's claim that the Zionist regime in Israel is a National Security threat to all Arabs.

The US, while it claims it is not, is clearly at war with or is openly hostile mainly to Muslim countries: drone strikes and military activity in Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya. How can people not resist in any way possible to this? The Pakistani government has demanded that the US stop drone strikes in its sovereign territory, to no avail. More civilians die that militants, and with each strike more militants are recruited. Resistance is life or death. When the US realizes this, and ceases hostile and arrogant actions in the world, we may gain some friends that do not want to attack us.

I recommend taking this into consideration for more objective writing that can actually address reality and promote discussion that can move America and the rest of the world forward in a peaceful and cooperative environment. The self-interested political games are not helping anyone; civilians are dying, history and lands are being destroyed, and the world economy has suffered. The US is in an economic bind that, had it not spend hundreds of billions on killing to get itself into, would be better prepared to invest and grow its economy.

 

More Reader Comments

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My response to Bob Smith [366 words]

gary fouse 

Jun 26, 2012 00:14

In Defense of Gary Fouse [174 words]

Joe Carey 

Jun 9, 2012 11:11

Gary Fouse, stop being dishonest [187 words]

Bob Smith 

Jun 6, 2012 11:10

Comporting with the enemy [296 words]

Kali Politeis 

Jun 4, 2012 13:08

Obviously [437 words]

Concerned 

Jun 3, 2012 21:33

Michael Downing and LAPD [161 words]

gary fouse 

Jun 1, 2012 21:17

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