Rick Blackwell: Welcome back everyone. Islamic radicals killed 130 people 17 days ago in Paris. There were concerns that Islamic terrorists would strike over the holidays. New York City increased security around the downtown parade attended by 3 million people, millions took part in black Friday shopping. Thankfully there was not a major attack. Still terrorism continues to be front and center in our concerns ion the United States. Tonight warnings for Americans in Afghanistan where credible reports of an imminent attack on Kabul sometime within the next 48 hours. For more on the threat we are joined via telephone by former CIA analyst Fred Fleitz. Fred is currently vice president at the Center for Security Policy. And from Newsmax Washington we are joined by Pete Hoekstra. Pete is currently the Shillman Senior Fellow with the Investigative Project on Terrorism, and is also the former chairman of the House Intelligence Committee. He is also author of the new book Architects of Disaster: The Destruction of Libya. Thanks to you both for being here on Newsmax Prime. Congressman Hoekstra, 44% of Americans felt a terrorist attack was likely in the US back in April. That number now stands at 69%. Are Americans justified in their fears?
Pete Hoekstra: Oh I think so, absolutely. ISIS has made it clear that they want to attack in Europe, that they want to attack the United States, the source of the country that's sponsoring the bombings in Syria and Iraq. Al Qaeda has wanted to attack again in the United States. You've got lone wolves who are radicalized. So yeah, you've got a whole group of folks who are very, very interested in striking at the heart of the beast. They want to hit America, they want to hit us in the homeland.
Blackwell: Well fear obviously can drive people to act, but are we acting appropriately? And Fred you wrote a fascinating piece in the National Review where you called Hillary Clinton's worldview incoherent. Why do you believe the president and the Democratic frontrunner for president in 2016 are doomed to fail to protect our country?
Fred Fleitz: Well you know I was encouraged by what Hillary Clinton said when she said that we're at war with radical jihadists and that they have a radical ideology. But as I looked at her comments very carefully I was very disappointed. She said that there's no clash of civilizations and she was afraid to use the term 'radical Islam' because she said she didn't want to offend Muslim societies that she may need to deal with as president. The problem here is in Islam and the president's claim that this is not an Islamic problem is part of our problem. We have a severe problem with large numbers of Muslims around the world subscribing to radical theology, known as sharia. They want to ch -- They are at war with Western civilization, and if we don't recognize we're at war with this ideology which Clinton and Obama do not, we're never going to defeat it.
Hoekstra: If I could just add to that. The other thing is that the Democratic frontrunner, Hillary Clinton, she's also the architect of our strategy in Libya. And the New York Times had a fascinating piece out in the last couple of days that said Libya now is maybe actually worse than the situation that we're seeing in Syria and Iraq and that the West even has less influence and less capability ultimately to turn things around in Libya than what they do in Syria. And right now the radical jihadists are controlling roughly 150 miles of the Mediterranean Sea, the seafront there which is a launching pad for radical jihadists into Europe.
Blackwell: Congressman Hoekstra I know obviously you have an expertise in that area from your latest book, but also you have an expertise in the phone surveillance program that collected data and phone records. Today is the first day actually of the new USA Freedom Act which will replace the wide net of collection with more targeted monitoring. Is this a good thing or do you worry we may not catch terrorists plotting against the United States with this new policy?
Hoekstra: We're not gonna have near the kind of capabilities that we had yesterday. And remember we were only collecting phone numbers. We weren't collecting content, we weren't collecting whose phone it was on and all those types of things. So the only thing we knew that is if a terrorist called into the United States we could go to the court and if the court agreed we could immediately find out what number that person was calling from outside, who they were connecting to and those types of things. And then with further court orders we might be able to surveil those calls, get the content and find these folks. And the thing was we had speed. We could do it quickly. We've lost speed and if you're gonna stop a terrorist attack you need the content and you need speed. You need to be flexible and agile. Those are the two things that we've lost today that we no longer have.
Blackwell: And Fred, quickly. What are your thought about the USA Freedom Act?
Fleitz: Well I think it was unfortunate it had to pass. I guess the only thing I can say is that it might have been worse. Edward Snowden is a traitor. He created an atmosphere of hysteria against US intelligence programs that led to this terrible legislation. And we know from intelligence officials that terrorists have gone to school on our intelligence capabilities based on Snowden's leaks, most of which have nothing to do with possible compromise of the privacy of Americans. They had to deal with how America spied on our enemies, and that was compromised by Snowden.
Blackwell: We're gonna have to leave it right there. Two thumbs down from Congressman Hoekstra and Fred Fleitz on the USA Freedom Act. Once again the book Architects of Disaster: The Destruction of Libya. Thanks to our guests. We're coming right back here on Newsmax TV.