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You Are Naive

Nov 14, 2012 20:14

Each one of you posters who claim this article has no basis are very naive. I suggest you do a study of the history of Islam, and then reread the article, and you will certainly see it in a different light. The Islamist have one impose Islam in every single country of the world. Read the Koran. Study it. It is your enemy even if you don't practice a religion. Even if you don't believe in God.



Submitted by Amused Atheist, Apr 15, 2011 14:07

Lieberman stated

"This article makes several bold claims without actually substantiating them with evidence"

Then states

"Atheists strive to spread the word and their ultimate goal is to see a world without God."



ICNA's Action Plan

Submitted by mareli, Mar 21, 2011 22:18

I have read the handbook, which is directed at women. It provides detailed, specific instructions and recommendations for spreading the faith and nourishing one's own. The list of recommended reading is straight out of Muslim Brotherhood type Islam, with authors like Hassan al-Banna, Ala Maududi, al-Tantawi, ibn Tamiyya, Yusuf al Qaradawi, Shamim Siddiqi, and In the Shade of the Koran (which I believe Said Qutb wrote), and the recruitment/retainment strategy seems cultic with its strict organization, buddy systems, and indoctrination sessions. I think there is cause for concern for our secular society should this sort of organized religious activity become widespread. This goes for religious organization of fundamentalist Christians, too, who are no friends of church-state separation.

Thank you for providing this information.


wake up america

Submitted by scott randall, Feb 23, 2011 04:32

Call me small minded, politically incorrect, uneducated whatever you wish. We are playing right into the hands of the various terrorist organizations and sympathizers around the world. Whose goal is to create a global Caliphate impement Shari'a law, anddestroy all infedels, the danger is real here, but so many choose to turn a blind eye to what is going on. The problem is that here in the US we are so detached from the realities of the world living in our sugar coated land of starbucks and smartphones. Is it so hard to believe that we are not viewed favorably by many political and religious groups around the world. I do not consider myself to be a religious person, however I do believe in religious freedoms, but our very system of religious freedoms is being undermined and used against us. Fronts of peaceful and moderate ideals are to often used to promote a far more radical agenda. All I'm saying is don't just accept everything for face value take a second look at things and make an educated decicion, not the politically correct one.


Un-tortured Logic

Submitted by Mark Burks, Jan 31, 2011 03:00

I must completely disagree with Mr Lieberman's unfounded conclusions. Anyone can assail an unfootnoted article and offer a "theater critic's" pan.

However, I myself have read from the books that are quoted, I myself have read from the books of the founding orgainzations of the ICNA, I myself have read interviews of the leaders and directors of these organizations. And I am here to say: It is so; It is clear; It is obvious; and It is growing. -- It is no small effort to read in balance, and to read widely enough to be able to make such declarations with competence, and to say that ICNA is one of many scores of such organizations in many countries. There are many, many places to focus such a penetrating lens into these developments.

While I fully agree with the SENTIMENTS of Mr Liebermann's claims (- I hate Hearing any wild unfounded conspiracy theories even more than I hate the endless barking of dogs through the deep dark of night, just as I pity the poor souls who bend their thoughts into pitiful little pretzels of half-baked fluff around those theories -) in this case I must completely disagree with his unfounded criticisms. The founding of the modern organization, ICNA, is but a very small part of a long-term plan that was laid down some fifty years ago in Egypt - a plan of some 150 to 200 years design. The Philosophy and intentions revealed in the article above run true to the philosophy and intentions under which ICNA operates, which run true to the philosoply under which ICNA was founded, which run true to the historic path to ICNA's creation, which remain true to the foundations laid by the plan's modern founders fifty years ago. If Mr Lieberman doubts their veracity, let him study further before he speaks.

Mr Lieberman's assessment of such ambitions as mere wishful thinking are an indulgent luxury. Let us remind ourselves by his example - a failure on our part to consider the dangers of such ambitions and take some Precautions can have consequences. After all, the "wishful thinking" by those supporters of even the Communism that Mr Lieberman mentions led to the murder, worldwide, of 90 million - from Europe to Russia, from China to the Asian archipeligoes, and Central and South America. Of course I am not predicting such an outcome in this case, but there are indeed precious rights and freedoms that are threatened by this modern plan of "wishful thinking."

--why else would a Counter-Organization of self-described "dissidents" such as those in the Canadian Council of Muslim Women have helped carry through a Successful campaign to protect womens' rights in Canada.. throwing out Canada's entire system of Religious Family Law in Canada to prevent implementation of this "wishful thinking"?? The Canadian Council of Muslim Women understood what they had to loose. It is good they succeeded. I am not going to provide footnotes, but if you doubt it just ask them. Or go out and read.


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